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Misha Valdman's avatar

It would probably be better to frame your formula in terms of pro tanto reasons; the ceteris paribus clause renders it toothless since no two situations are equal in every respect. But the real challenge is how to keep your formula from bleeding into everything. A pro tanto reason not to cause animal suffering, after all, is basically a reason not to spend money on anything. After all, whoever you give your money to might use that money to buy meat, in which case you'd have done something that caused animal suffering. So there's a pro tanto reason not to buy clothing, not to tip your waiter, and even not to buy vegan food from the local grocery store.

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Christian G. Moore's avatar

I think you make a lot of interesting moves here, but I’m still a bit muddled on the details of the proposal.

For two brief points:

1) Ceteris Paribus - it’s a devil of an idea. What actually constitutes equal? You say plant material can mirror taste for example, but is it *really* equal? Or is it equal *enough?* This matters only because, as a vague condition that primarily relies on intuition, it can be argued in both the loose or restrictive senses. It’s also not entirely clear what must be equal in ceteris paribus cases. It certainly won’t be everything about the two options, because they are different things! So, you might say nutrients must be equal, but why can’t I say “cultural value” or something like that must also be equal?

2) The utilitarian move still feels unmotivated to me. I understand that, from the prior article, you take the agent/patients distinction to call for the utilitarianism, but I don’t see why that has to be the case. Insofar as animals are moral patients, any harms done to them are wrong only by virtue of an agent being in the loop. This is contrary to the utilitarian thesis which suggests that the suffering caused is bad in and of itself. I need to see exactly what is wrong about the suffering, in what way, for what reason. Is it wrong because we ought not promote it for some distinctly human reason? Is it wrong simpliciter?

Patiently awaiting to see where you take this next!

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